Note: Rafael’s ability to speak was hindered after he suffered a heart attack in October 2012 and a stroke in 2013.

Rafael: We went to, to Paris.

Sylvia: That's exactly my first thought. Tell him, babe.

Rafael: We went to Paris. Germany. London.

Sylvia: Where else?

Rafael: México.

Sylvia: México.

Rafael: We went to the East coast and the West coast.

Sylvia: We traveled the 101 Highway, the Coast Highway, up the Pacific. We went up to Maine and Vermont. Niagara Falls. But that was my first thought. The happiest. There's two happiest, happiest. Our wedding day and, he asked me, he says, “You're going to turn 50. Do you want a party or do you want a trip?” That's easy enough. I want a trip. So he says, “We got, we're going to Paris.” And when we got to Paris, we unloaded everything in the hotel. That didn't have an elevator, that we were on the fifth floor. And we left everything and went walking. Didn't know where we were going. But we made this little bitty left turn, and the Eiffel Tower was right there. All lit up at night. It was the most gorgeous thing. And it just made me cry from joy.

Sylvia: When we met, we each had marriages that had fallen apart. In his case, he had more marriages than I did. I love to say that. Anyway, what I was going to say is that, I think the fact that of our ages when we first met, I think we went into our relationship fully aware of what life really is like. It wasn't glossy. It wasn't kissy kissy, sweet sweet, forever forever. Well, it was kissy kissy, sweet sweet. But, you know, we just had a different concept of when we were each teenagers and had that happen. So, I think that helped us in, in this relationship now because of what's going on.

I know for me, I've had lots of people tell me, just leave him. And it's just like, how can you say that when you love somebody? You don't just abandon them. And I was, I was told that several times by different people. But he definitely has not stopped trying for us to be husband and wife. And it's certainly never like the marriage I'd had before. He made it very different for me. I know what it's like to be married now. Before it was just nothing. So it's been a good life when you look at the whole at the whole picture, I think it's been a good life.

Rafael: I’m not ready to give up.

Sylvia: You’re not ready to give up?

Rafael: I want to keep going for a long while.

Sylvia: You want to keep going for a while? Good.